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Post by nikitty91 on Jul 20, 2014 2:11:29 GMT
Today two of my budgies were squabbling as normal and one of them fell to the bottom of the cage, a short time later he began to whine and I noticed that he was still on the bottom of the cage and he was limp. He died within two minutes of the whining sound. We removed him from the cage and buried our little friend (the second oldest of the flock.) When we returned we found three more of our babies deceased and limp (especially the heads) on the bottom of the cage and one just outside it on the floor. Our oldest budgie was in the cage with a small amount of blood on his cere. Since then then he has been quiet and timid. I found no traces of blood anywhere else. What do you think the cause was? Fighting for dominance? Our window was open today until around noon with a fan on and then the A/C was running at about 70 degrees. It wasnt heat and they have all been active and eating normally until I found them dead.
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Post by nikitty91 on Jul 20, 2014 2:58:20 GMT
My last budgie is being awful quiet. He was resting on his towel and he is having watery stools with orange red tinge to them. He seems to be swaying a little as he breathes. At times the poo looks normal but wetter than usual and then back to red watery. Poops at least five times in a half hr.
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Post by sabaton28 on Jul 20, 2014 3:15:34 GMT
Hi Nikitty I work as a veterinarian assistant so I'll try to help as best as I can. Blood in droppings can be a very serious event and if actually blood, you must consider that birds can become dangerously anemic very quickly. I would seek immediate veterinary intervention, no matter what and no matter when.
First, are you sure it’s blood? Many foods will change the color of droppings, including pellets, many fruits and vegetables or sometimes even ingestion of food coloring as the bird gnaws on wood toys.
What seems to be blood in the droppings might also be a type of bile. It could indicate anything from lead or other metal poisoning to the lesser seen, kidney infection. No matter what, blood in a bird’s droppings is an absolutely urgent care situation without any home treatment available.
If this is a female you must consider the possibility of egg binding or Dystocia, even if you can’t see the egg or feel it. It’s important to keep in mind that birds will maintain an ‘act’ of health, right down to singing and other usual behaviors, up to the very moment it’s too overwhelming (and serious) for them to keep up.
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Post by nikitty91 on Jul 20, 2014 3:19:54 GMT
My boyfriend spray painted outside with the windows shut and a fan on inside. Normal food. I have been calling and searching for an avian bet near Albany NY but haven't found one that is open now or on a sunday
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Post by sabaton28 on Jul 20, 2014 3:28:43 GMT
If she/he takes a very bad turn, here's an emergency support guideline for you in establishing a brooder box and 'intensive care'
For a makeshift brooder, use a small box lined with soft clothes like tee shirts.
Use a thick, clean sock and fill it ¾ with plain, raw white rice. Knot the end and microwave it for about 1 ½ minutes. Shake it afterwards to distribute the heat and be sure it's not too hot. Tuck this in just under the cloths.
A heating pad under one half of the box is also helpful, set on low. This is one of the few times I’d ever use both heat sources if necessary to maintain incubation temp (90-105 degrees).
If ever using an electric source for heating anything in anyway, please be vigilant and constantly double checking carefully.
Gently drape a light cover over this box to further help hold heat in and keep light low.
I wouldn’t force fluids or food until a professional has agreed it’s required and shown you how. The last thing we need is aspiration pneumonia.
With that said, for supportive care & hydration:
Make some sugar water with 1-2 tablespoons of natural white sugar (none of those sugar substitutes no matter how natural they claim to be) in ½ cup of water. Stir until the sugar is dissolved and offer the bird a couple drops of this along with the Pedialyte.
In a pinch, Gatorade or other sports drink without added zinc or at least with zinc listed low on the list of ingredients, can be used while you are getting Pedialyte.
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Post by sabaton28 on Jul 20, 2014 3:36:10 GMT
If you see him fluffed up lying on the bottom of the cage, open mouth breathing or anything out of the ordinary get him in the intensive care box. If you have a empty clean square fish tank it can also work. I've used one once or twice for any budgies that have gotten sick or injured. What does the normal food consists of ? Where you able to smell an paint fumes from the inside where the painting was going on ?
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Post by sabaton28 on Jul 20, 2014 3:37:06 GMT
How many males and females ?
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Post by nikitty91 on Jul 20, 2014 3:39:27 GMT
No paint smell inside. They have sunseed mix and veggies and fruits but the past couple of days just sees. One female and four males.
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Post by sabaton28 on Jul 20, 2014 3:47:26 GMT
Hows he doing right now ? Unless all the males were fighting over the one female, It would make more sense if it was one male and four females. How big is the cage ? Its very strange that 4 died together in such a short time. But Im sorry for your losses. How are you doing ?
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Post by nikitty91 on Jul 20, 2014 4:08:28 GMT
Still quiet. Not looking as much still water with orangeish tint. I'm lost. The cage is quite large but tall. That's what makes me think they may have squabbled and fell to their deaths cuz they are clipped plus the cere injury.
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Post by nikitty91 on Jul 20, 2014 10:48:01 GMT
My buddy made it through the night. Poop is darker than usual but mostly back to normal. He is up and eating breakfast and preening. Let's hope he was just stressed out. Keeping an eye on him today.
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Post by kmic on Jul 21, 2014 19:33:42 GMT
How is he doing? Really sorry for what you went through
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Post by luvsanimals2 on Jul 21, 2014 19:55:42 GMT
Whoa, that is really weird. Tweets likes to beat up on the females when he is with one of them, it is quite odd. He would drive anyone away from the one he's macking on. So I do believe that the male killed the others, if so, I would suggest on not getting any more budgies or to keep him separated. Does it look like the remaining one killed the others at all?
It could have also been the paint, just because you don't smell it doesn't mean the budgies can't.
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Post by nikitty91 on Jul 22, 2014 12:51:00 GMT
I've had the remaining budgie, Cthulhu, for a year and a half and he's been with the first one that died since then and he's never been territorial. The whole thing is bizarre. Right now he is actually singing and eating like normal. No plans to get him a buddy unless he starts showing signs of depression. I have two cages in any event, so if I do end up getting him a buddy they will have separate homes unless I am there to supervise. Maybe a female for him?
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Post by luvsanimals2 on Jul 23, 2014 13:18:09 GMT
It is probably best to get him a female and keep a close eye on him.
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